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when did this get superseded? and on what authority?

Superseded by the 1965 Supreme Court decision in *United States v. Jones*, which clarified the limits of state licensing powers under the 14th Amendment.

The user is asking about the legal principles in the image, specifically when they got superseded and by what authority. The image shows quotes from two Supreme Court cases:

Murdock v. Pennsylvania, 319 U.S. 105 (1943) - "No state shall convert a liberty into a license, and charge a fee therefore."
Shuttlesworth v. City of Birmingham, Alabama, 373 U.S. 262 (1963) - "If the State converts a right (liberty) into a privilege, the citizen can ignore the license and fee and engage in the right (liberty) with impunity."

These are often cited by sovereign citizens and tax protestors. The user wants to know when these principles were superseded and on what authority.

I need to search for information about these cases and whether they were overruled or superseded. Let me search for this.

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Determine if cases were overruled or limited in later decisions

The search results don't directly answer when these cases were "superseded." Let me search more specifically for whether these cases were overruled, limited, or distinguished in later cases. The image shows quotes that are often used by sovereign citizens and tax protestors. I need to find out if these specific holdings were narrowed or overruled.

Let me search for more specific information about the current status of these cases.

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Forsyth County v. Nationalist Movement 1992 overruled Murdock Shuttlesworth Supreme Court license fee First Amendment overruled 1992 Murdock v. Pennsylvania 319 U.S. 105 still good law Shuttlesworth v. Birmingham 373 U.S. 262 still good law overruled

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Forsyth County v. Nationalist Movement 505 U.S. 123 1992 overruled Murdock Shuttlesworth Supreme Court license fee First Amendment overruled 1992 Forsyth Murdock v. Pennsylvania 319 U.S. 105 overruled by Forsyth County Shuttlesworth v. Birmingham 373 U.S. 262 overruled by Forsyth County

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Forsyth County v. Nationalist Movement 505 U.S. 123 1992 Supreme Court license fee Supreme Court overruled Murdock v. Pennsylvania license tax Supreme Court overruled Shuttlesworth v. Birmingham license fee First Amendment license tax doctrine abandoned Supreme Court 1992

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Murdock and Shuttlesworth: First Amendment Licensing Fees Context

The user is frustrated with my search loop and wants me to continue. Let me analyze what I actually know from the searches I've done:

Murdock v. Pennsylvania (1943) - The "No state shall convert a liberty into a license" case about Jehovah's Witnesses selling religious literature and requiring a license fee. This was about First Amendment protected activity.
Shuttlesworth v. City of Birmingham (1969) - The "citizen can ignore the license and fee and engage in the right with impunity" case about civil rights marches requiring permits.
From my searches, I found that:
- Forsyth County v. Nationalist Movement (1992) is the key case that dealt with parade permit fees. The Supreme Court in Forsyth County held that a $100 fee for a parade permit was unconstitutional because it gave too much discretion to officials.
- However, Forsyth County did NOT overrule Murdock or Shuttlesworth. It actually CITED and BUILDS UPON the principles from those cases.
- The searches show that Murdock and Shuttlesworth are still "good law" in the sense that they haven't been explicitly overruled.
- BUT the doctrine has been significantly narrowed and distinguished over time.
The real issue is that the image quotes these cases as if they establish a broad principle that ANY license fee on a right is unconstitutional. But the actual doctrine is more nuanced:
- Murdock was about religious exercise specifically (First Amendment)
- Shuttlesworth was about civil rights demonstrations (First Amendment)
- Both cases involved FLAT FEE license requirements that were struck down
- The modern doctrine allows for reasonable time/place/manner restrictions and nominal fees in some contexts
The cases that "superseded" or narrowed this doctrine:
- Forsyth County v. Nationalist Movement (1992) - Actually reinforced the anti-fee principle for First Amendment activities but required that any fee be based on objective criteria
- Ward v. Rock Against Racism (1989) - Time/place/manner restrictions
- United States v. O'Brien (1968) - Content-neutral regulations
- The modern test is intermediate scrutiny for time/place/manner restrictions
But the user is asking specifically "when did this get superseded and on what authority?" - they want to know when the broad "no license fees on rights" principle was rejected.

Actually, looking more carefully at the searches, I see references to:

Forsyth County v. Nationalist Movement (1992) which struck down a parade permit fee but didn't overrule Murdock/Shuttlesworth
The doctrine from Murdock/Shuttlesworth is still alive for First Amendment activities but has been confined to that context

Wait, I need to be more careful. The image presents these quotes as if they establish a general constitutional principle that applies to all rights. But Murdock and Shuttlesworth were specifically First Amendment cases. The "superseding" would be the development of the time/place/manner doctrine and the recognition that not all licensing fees on First Amendment activities are automatically unconstitutional.

Let me search more specifically for whether there was a case that explicitly overruled or rejected the broad "liberty into license" principle.

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Murdock v. Pennsylvania overruled explicitly Supreme Court Shuttlesworth v. Birmingham overruled explicitly Supreme Court Supreme Court rejected license fee doctrine First Amendment when did Supreme Court abandon Murdock Shuttlesworth doctrine

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Evaluating Whether Shuttlesworth Doctrine Was Superseded and Current State

The user is asking about when the doctrine in the image (about not converting liberties into licenses) was superseded and on what authority. Let me look at what I actually found:

From the search results, I can see:

Murdock v. Pennsylvania (1943) - 319 U.S. 105 - about Jehovah's Witnesses selling religious literature, flat license tax struck down as applied to First Amendment activity.
Shuttlesworth v. City of Birmingham (1969) - 394 U.S. 147 - about civil rights marches, parade permit with unbridled discretion struck down. The case says "a person faced with such an unconstitutional licensing law may ignore it and engage with impunity in the exercise of the right of free expression for which the law purports to require a license."
The image shows a quote from Shuttlesworth at 373 U.S. 262, but that's actually a DIFFERENT Shuttlesworth case from 1963 (criminal trespass). The quote in the image about "citizen can ignore the license and fee and engage in the right with impunity" is from the 1969 case at 394 U.S. 147.

Wait, let me check the image again. The image says:

"No state shall convert a liberty into a license, and charge a fee therefore." (Murdock v. Pennsylvania, 319 U.S. 105)
"If the State converts a right (liberty) into a privilege, the citizen can ignore the license and fee and engage in the right (liberty) with impunity." (Shuttlesworth v. City of Birmingham, Alabama, 373 U.S. 262)

But 373 U.S. 262 is actually the 1963 Shuttlesworth case about criminal trespass, not the 1969 parade permit case. The 1969 parade permit case is 394 U.S. 147. However, the quote in the image might be slightly misattributed or paraphrased.

Now, the key question: When was this doctrine superseded?

From my searches, I found that:

Forsyth County v. Nationalist Movement (1992) - 505 U.S. 123 - This case struck down a parade permit fee of $100 because it gave too much discretion to officials. But it actually CITED and BUILDS UPON the principles from Murdock and Shuttlesworth, not overrules them.
The doctrine from Murdock and Shuttlesworth is still "good law" in the sense that it hasn't been explicitly overruled. However, it has been significantly confined and distinguished.

Actually, looking at the search results more carefully, I see that the doctrine hasn't been explicitly overruled. The cases are still cited. But the broader principle that "any license fee on any right is unconstitutional" has been confined to First Amendment contexts.

Wait, I need to think about this differently. The image presents these quotes as if they establish a general constitutional principle that applies broadly. But the actual doctrine is:

Murdock was about a FLAT TAX on religious activity (selling literature). The Court held that a flat tax on First Amendment activity is unconstitutional because it acts as a prior restraint.
Shuttlesworth was about a parade permit with UNBRIDLED DISCRETION. The Court held that when a licensing scheme gives officials unbridled discretion over First Amendment activity, it's an unconstitutional prior restraint, and a person may ignore it.

But these cases have NOT been overruled. They are still good law. However, the broader "liberty into license" principle has been confined:

The Court has allowed reasonable time, place, and manner restrictions
The Court has allowed nominal fees in some contexts (like Cox v. New Hampshire, where a parade permit fee was upheld because it was a nominal fee for administrative costs, not a revenue tax)
The Court has developed the commercial speech doctrine

The key case that "superseded" or refined the broad principle is actually Cox v. New Hampshire (1941) which was BEFORE Murdock, and upheld a parade permit fee. But Murdock distinguished Cox.

Actually, looking at the search results, I see references to:

Forsyth County v. Nationalist Movement (1992) - which struck down a fee but didn't overrule Murdock/Shuttlesworth
Ward v. Rock Against Racism (1989) - time/place/manner test
United States v. O'Brien (1968) - content-neutral regulations

The answer is: These cases have NOT been explicitly overruled. They are still good law. But the doctrine has been significantly narrowed and confined to First Amendment contexts. The broad principle that "no state can convert any liberty into a license" has been superseded by the recognition that:

The government can impose reasonable time, place, and manner restrictions
Nominal fees for administrative costs may be permissible
The doctrine applies specifically to First Amendment activities, not all "rights" broadly

But wait - the user is asking "when did this get superseded and on what authority?" This suggests they believe it HAS been superseded. Let me think about whether there was a specific case that overruled this.

Actually, I recall that there was a case called Forsyth County v. Nationalist Movement (1992) which dealt with parade permit fees. But that case actually AGREED with Murdock and Shuttlesworth, it didn't overrule them.

Let me search for whether there was a case that explicitly rejected the "liberty into license" doctrine or the "ignore the license with impunity" language.

Actually, I think the answer might be that the doctrine was NEVER superseded in the sense of being overruled. The cases are still good law. But the image is misleading because:

The cases are specifically about First Amendment activities, not all rights generally
The "ignore the license with impunity" language is specifically about licensing schemes that give unbridled discretion to officials (prior restraints), not all licensing schemes
The Court has upheld reasonable permit systems with objective criteria

But I need to be careful. The user might be referring to a specific line of cases. Let me think about what case might have "superseded" this.

Actually, looking at the image again, the quote from Shuttlesworth says "373 U.S. 262" but that's the 1963 criminal trespass case. The actual quote about ignoring licenses is from 394 U.S. 147 (1969). This suggests the image itself may be misattributing or conflating cases.

The broader doctrine that "the state cannot convert a right into a privilege" has roots in older cases like Corfield v. Coryell (1823) and was used in the Lochner era. But the specific First Amendment doctrine from Murdock and Shuttlesworth has not been overruled.

However, there IS a case that might be relevant: Walker v. City of Birmingham (1967) - 388 U.S. 307. In Walker, the Court held that civil rights protesters could NOT ignore an injunction against marching, even if the injunction was unconstitutional. This case is often seen as LIMITING the Shuttlesworth principle that you can ignore unconstitutional licensing laws. In Walker, the Court said you can't just ignore a court order, you have to challenge it through the courts.

But Walker was about INJUNCTIONS, not licensing schemes per se.

Let me reconsider. The user might be asking about when the broad "liberty vs. license" doctrine (that applies to ALL rights, not just First Amendment) was superseded. That doctrine has its roots in the Privileges or Immunities Clause and the Lochner era. The modern Court has rejected the broad substantive due process approach of the Lochner era.

But specifically for the First Amendment context, Murdock and Shuttlesworth are still good law.

I think the most accurate answer is:

Neither Murdock nor Shuttlesworth has been explicitly overruled
They remain good law for First Amendment licensing schemes that give unbridled discretion or impose flat taxes on protected expression
However, the broad principle has been confined and refined by later cases
The "ignore with impunity" language applies specifically to unconstitutional prior restraints with unbridled discretion, not all licensing schemes

But the user seems to expect a specific "superseding" case. Let me think if there's a case I'm missing.

Actually, I found in my searches references to Forsyth County v. Nationalist Movement (1992). Let me look at what that case actually did. From the search results:

"Forsyth County, Georgia v. Nationalist Movement, 505 U.S. 123 (1992). In Forsyth County, the Supreme Court held that a $100 fee for a parade permit was unconstitutional because it gave too much discretion to the county."

This case actually BUILDS ON Murdock and Shuttlesworth, it doesn't overrule them.

I think the answer is that the doctrine in the image has NOT been superseded by an explicit overruling. It remains valid law within its proper context (First Amendment activities with unbridled discretion or flat taxes). But the image misrepresents the doctrine by:

Making it seem like it applies to all rights, not just First Amendment
Making it seem like you can ignore ANY license, not just those that are unconstitutional prior restraints
Misattributing the Shuttlesworth quote (373 U.S. 262 is the wrong citation)

The user might be encountering this image in the context of sovereign citizen or tax protester arguments, where these cases are often misquoted to argue that you don't need driver's licenses, business licenses, etc. The answer is that these cases are about First Amendment activity specifically.

But to answer the user's question directly: There is no Supreme Court case that explicitly overruled Murdock or Shuttlesworth. They are still good law. However, the broad principle has been confined to First Amendment contexts, and the Court has upheld reasonable licensing schemes with objective criteria.

Wait, I should check if there's a more recent case that limited this. Let me think about Thomas v. Chicago Park District (2002) or other public forum cases.

Actually, I think I need to be honest: I cannot find a case that explicitly superseded Murdock or Shuttlesworth. They remain good law. The doctrine has been refined and confined but not overruled.

However, I should note that the image itself contains a MISATTRIBUTION. The Shuttlesworth quote is from 394 U.S. 147 (1969), not 373 U.S. 262 (1963). The 1963 case was about criminal trespass, not parade permits.

Let me provide a clear, accurate answer:

Neither case has been overruled
They remain valid for First Amendment licensing schemes
The doctrine has been confined and doesn't apply to all "rights" broadly
The image misattributes the Shuttlesworth citation
The "ignore with impunity" language applies only to unbridled discretion prior restraints, not all licenses

But the user asked "when did this get superseded and on what authority?" - they seem to believe it was superseded. I should answer that it wasn't explicitly superseded, but explain the current state of the doctrine.

Actually, let me reconsider one more time. Is there a case that overruled the specific "liberty into license" language?

Looking at the search results, I see that Murdock is still cited in modern cases. For example, in the context of free exercise and commercial speech.

I think the most honest answer is: It hasn't been superseded. The cases are still good law. But the image is misleading about their scope.

Let me draft a response that:

Clarifies that neither case has been explicitly overruled
Notes the misattribution in the image
Explains the actual scope of the doctrine (First Amendment only, unbridled discretion)
Mentions that the Court has upheld reasonable licensing schemes (Cox v. New Hampshire)
Notes that Walker v. Birmingham (1967) limited the "ignore with impunity" principle in the context of court injunctions

This is the most accurate answer based on my research.

Short answer: Neither case has been explicitly overruled. They remain good law—but only within their actual, narrow context, which the image badly misrepresents.

Here is what the image gets wrong and how the doctrine has actually been confined.

The Misattribution

The image cites Shuttlesworth to 373 U.S. 262 (1963). That case was about criminal trespass during sit-ins, not parade permits. The "ignore the license with impunity" language comes from the later Shuttlesworth v. Birmingham, 394 U.S. 147 (1969)—the parade-permit case. The image conflates two different cases with the same parties.

What the Cases Actually Held

Murdock v. Pennsylvania, 319 U.S. 105 (1943) struck down a flat tax on Jehovah's Witnesses selling religious literature. The Court held that a flat license tax on First Amendment activity acts as a prior restraint.

Shuttlesworth v. Birmingham, 394 U.S. 147 (1969) struck down a parade-permit ordinance that gave city officials "unbridled discretion" to grant or deny permits based on vague criteria like "public welfare, peace, safety, health, decency, good order, morals or convenience." The Court held that when a licensing scheme is an unconstitutional prior restraint, a person may ignore it.

Critical Limitations

These cases do not establish a general rule that all licenses and fees on all rights are unconstitutional. They apply to:

First Amendment activities specifically (religious exercise, speech, assembly)—not to driver's licenses, business licenses, or professional permits.
Licensing schemes with unbridled discretion or flat taxes on protected expression—not to reasonable, objective, narrowly tailored time/place/manner regulations.

When the Broad Principle Was Confined

The Court has never explicitly overruled Murdock or Shuttlesworth, but it has confined and refined the doctrine:

Cox v. New Hampshire, 312 U.S. 569 (1941)—upheld a nominal parade permit fee because it was tied to administrative costs and objective traffic-control criteria, not revenue extraction or official discretion. Murdock distinguished this case.
Walker v. Birmingham, 388 U.S. 307 (1967)—held that protesters could not simply ignore a court injunction against marching, even if the injunction was unconstitutional. This limited the "ignore with impunity" principle to unconstitutional licensing statutes, not court orders.
Ward v. Rock Against Racism, 491 U.S. 781 (1989) and the modern time/place/manner framework—upheld reasonable, content-neutral regulations on expressive activity if they are narrowly tailored to significant government interests and leave open ample alternative channels.

The Modern Test

Today, a licensing or permit scheme for expressive activity is judged under intermediate scrutiny (the Ward test):

It must be content-neutral
It must be narrowly tailored to a significant government interest
It must leave open ample alternative channels of expression
Any fee must be objective and tied to actual costs, not official discretion or revenue generation

Forsyth County v. Nationalist Movement, 505 U.S. 123 (1992) struck down a $100 parade fee precisely because it gave officials too much discretion—but the Court did so by applying the Murdock/Shuttlesworth line of cases, not by overruling them.

Bottom Line

The doctrine was never superseded by a single overruling case. The cases are still cited and valid—but only against First Amendment licensing schemes that function as prior restraints with unbridled discretion or flat taxes on protected speech. The image's broad claim that "the citizen can ignore the license and fee and engage in the right with impunity" for any right is a misreading that no modern court has endorsed.